June 7, 2016 at 2:11 PM #7500
Hello, I open this topic for people to easily report compatibility or issues when connecting the OSSC directly to a consumer flat screen television (i.e. not monitors, PVMs or via scalers etc). Hopefully this will increase the speed at which info is gathered on TV brands/models which are suitable, without Marqs & Bucko constantly having to monitor things to update the official compatibility google sheet .
WHAT TO REPORT:
Please include complete TV model info, whether linetriple works, and if possible if SNES/SFC works.(*see note at bottom) Always use latest firmware. Additional info is also encouraged (like tested consoles, PAL/NTSC, additional modes, settings tweaks & TV input lag), but in this post I will only summarize the above essentials. Reporting monitors, projectors and other setups is of course welcome (I know Bucko checks in with the thread from time to time) but again, I will not summarize those in this post (at least not at this point).
UPDATE Feb 2017 Firmware 0.76 with Lx4 and Lx5 modes is now out! 😀 Please report any new findings with these modes also!
Thanks to all contributors!
Linedouble is expected to work on all TVs, and so far only three reported SNES problem. Line triple mode has had higher compatibility than expected, and compatibility can be increased further by external means.**See note at bottom
UPDATE: FW 0.77 seems to have fixed incompatibilities with the new Samsung 4k sets!
Unfortunately, a number of the new Samsung 4k sets are reported incompatible (KU6000-series, KS8000-series), even with Lx2!
BEWARE: a couple of SNES-incompatible 4k Sonys (X/XD-series) have now been reported! Hopefully the de-jitter mod Marqs has been working on can help with this problem. Considering the progress, it seems likely the mod can be available sometime in 2018.
n/r – not reported or not tested
Regarding the “tweaks” referenced to achieve Lx3/Lx4 for some models, see this Tips & Tweaks thread.
TO DO: better sorting and way to distinguish models that are currently on market. I am open to suggestions on this point.
H40MEC2150 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: N/N | shmups user xadox
H49MEC2650 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: N/Y | shmups user xadox Also does 256×240 optimized in Lx5.
H49M3000 (4k) | Lx3: n/r | SNES: n/r | 480p x2 works markiemarcus
LTDN40K321 (4k) | Lx3:Y | SNES: n/r | zz99
55H6B | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y* | accaris *Lx5 needs aspect ratio adjustment (?).
47LD450-ZA | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | eric90000
47LN5790-UI | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | zxthehedgehog Also 480p x2.
55EF950V (OLED) | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | shmupsforum user Das Muel, You tube review Also handles 480p x2.
65EG9600 (OLED, curved) | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | ErickRPG
55UH661V | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | richisawesome Several pics in thread. Note! User was unhappy with some features of the TV and returned it, see link for info.
55UH615V | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: Y/Y | TillDawn tested with PC-Engine
65B6 (OLED) | Lx3: n/r | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: n/r /Y | BahnYuki youtube
65C7 (OLED) | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | BahnYuki youtube For both B6 and C7, although not explicitly stated in the youtube review, it’s implied that they are compatible with Lx3/4 as well. Confirmation post
65C6P (OLED) | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | RevQuixo
55B7V (OLED) | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: Y/Y | mdd45
49UF850V | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: Y/Y | niceyellowyellow Tested with RGB modded NTSC N64.
55EC9300 (OLED)| Lx3: Y | SNES: N | Lx4/5: Y/Y | JPeazy304 Only LG model reported incompatible with SNES!
55EG910V (OLED) | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y* | nissling *Lx5 did not work for NES/SNES.
TC-32LX60 (720p) | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | deltronik Poor scaling
TX-32LXD70 (720p) | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | coderkind
TH-50PX80U (720p) | Lx3: Y| Lx4/5: N | SNES: Y | Bironzilla 480i passthrough works, and is recommended.
TC-L32X30 (720p) | Lx3: N | Lx4/5: N | SNES: Y | Bironzilla 480i passthrough works.
TX-L37S20BA | Lx3: N | SNES: n/r| Lx4/5: N/N | cleeg
TC-P50S60 | Lx3: Y*| SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y*/N | deltronik *with tweak
TC-P42S1 | Lx3: N | Lx4/5: N | SNES: Y | Bironzilla 480i passthrough works.
TC-P50S2 | Lx3: N | Lx4/5: N | SNES: Y | Bironzilla 480i passthrough works.
TC-P50G15 | Lx3: Y| Lx4/5: N | SNES: Y/N* | Bironzilla 480i passthrough works. SNES works but has severely shaky image.
TC-P50G20 | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | Pajamaslayer
TC-P55VT60 | Lx3: Y*| SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y*/N | BonzoBits *With tweak
TX-P55VT50Y | Lx3: N | SNES: N| arovane NeoGeo & NESRGB also does not work
TC-P42UT50B | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | destinydoom
TX-P50G30B | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | Jamie NeoGeo doesn’t work
EZ950 (4k oled) | Lx3: Y*| SNES: Y | Lx4/5: N/N | marqs *With tweaks listed in post.
TX-P42G10E | Lx3: Y*| SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: Y*/N | Witchhunter *Lx3 semi-works, off-center with HDMI and does not work for 50Hz. Lx3 & Lx4 works with VGA adapter, but introduces frameskipping.
TX-P50GT60Y | Lx3: Y*| SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y*/N | Gummi *With tweaks
32PFL7762D/12 (720p)| Lx3: N | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: N/N | JonasP Bad scaling.
32PFL6606H | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y*/Y | Harrumph *With tweaks
42PFL6008K | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | eurogamer.de review
43PFT5301 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y* | Harrumph *320×240 optimized does not work in x5. 480i-240p transitions are very fast (≤0.3 s, tested with 240p test suite on SNES).
43PUS6501 (4k) | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | Harrumph Severe issues with scaling and frame conversion, not recommended!
LE32T51BX (720p)| Lx3: N | SNES: Y | HKT3030
LE19C450E1W (720p)| Lx3: Y* | SNES: n/r| Lx4/5: N/N | cleeg *NTSC only
UE32H6200 | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: Y/Y | Sk8er000
UE32J6300 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | afangus
UE32J5100AK | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | eric90000
UA55D6000SMXXY | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | BonzoBits
HL67A750 | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | ShootTheCore
HG32NC690 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | ShootTheCore
55H8200 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | komadori PAL 2x mode only
UE32K5600 |Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: Y/Y* |vmagix *Lx5 Sega Megadrive only, sporadic and unusable for other consoles.
UN46C6300 | Lx3: Y* | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y*/N | funny_mikey *works but cannot adjust aspect
UN50H5203 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | NJRoadfan
LE40A567P2W | Lx3: N | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: Y/N | JonasP Has pretty severe interrupt on 240p/480i resolution switch (ca 8 sec).
UN32EH4003F | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/N | Neogaf user Triforce141
UN32J5003AF | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | retrorgb @ shmups
UE39F5300AK | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | andychristian
UE55HU7200 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | eurogamer.de review
UN40KU6300GXZD | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | destinydoom FW 0.77+ required, all modes work.
UN50KU6300FXZA | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y* | virsago FW 0.77+ required, all modes work. *Minor screen tearing with SNES in Lx5.
UN55KS8000 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y* | GigaTortoise Works with FW 0.77+. *SNES drops image infrequently in Lx5, otherwise fine.
(UE43KU6075 | Lx3: N | SNES: N | Lx4/5: N/N | Harrumph Did not work with FW 0.76.) Should be retested with FW 0.77, likely it works now considering other reports (see above).
UE49MU7000 | Lx3: Y* | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y**/Y* | James *With tweaks. **Lx4 only works with 60Hz.
UE55KS7000 | Lx3: Y *| SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y** | eric90000 *Needs tweaks with 50Hz sources. ** Not working with 50Hz sources. kingprawncrt
KDL42W705B | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | noko_bombette
KDL40W705CBU | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | eric90000
KDL40EX655 | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | blizzz
KDL-55W829B | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | coderkind
KDL-40BX400 | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r| Lx4/5: N/Y | Deubeul
KDL-47W805A | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | sonofmail
KDL-70R550A | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | samson7point1
KDL-55W950B | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | edenal
KDL-46W900A | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | mimylovesjapan
KDL-50XE654 |Lx3: Y | Lx4/5: Y | SNES: Y | Bironzilla 480i passthrough works, but is very soft. Dreamcast did not work on this TV.
KDL-32XBR6 | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: N/N |gpetit
KDL-50W800C |Lx3: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y* | SNES: n/r | Shmups user Bacardi *Lx5 works in 1200 modes only and has uneven scaling. Tested with PSX only.
KDL-26L5000 |Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: N/Y* |Dark Sakul *Lx5 works for “some” consoles. NeoGeo MVS works.
KDL-55X4500 |Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/N |SirRockALot Also 480p x2. Possibly same as XBR8 model in the US (2008). 480i-240p transitions take a few seconds.
KDL-40W730C | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: N/N |dadjumper
XBR-65X80c | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | retrorgb.com
KD49X8005C | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | zz99
KD65XD8577SAEP | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | shmupsforum user Elrinth | Lx4/5: Y/Y* | Elrinth update *Lx5 only works in 1200 modes, unevenly scaled.
KD-55XD7005 | Lx3: N | SNES: N | thestr4ng3r Overall glitchy results.
XBR-55X900E | Lx3: Y | SNES: N | Lx4/5: ?/Y* | BambooTiger PS1/PS2 worked in most modes. SNES sync problems also described by copy at shmups forum.
49XE9005 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y* | Lx4/5: Y/Y | haloharry *SNES only works in 50Hz!
40FD2700 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | bkbreyme Also 480p x2
S405 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | DoctorPain99 Also 480p x2 and 480i passthrough. Also reported (43S405) by BahnYuki.
55P605 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | BahnYuki Also 480p x2.
55L421U | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Mikeyy00 | Lx4/5: Y/Y | FlappyRacoon
24SL410U | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: Y/Y* | TwillightSlick *Lx4 needs dot-by-dot mode (ie 1:1) for proper aspect, Lx5 is stuck in widescreen and only 1920×1200 mode accepted.
E470VLE | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/N | NJRoadfan
E600i-B3 | Lx3: n/r | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: n/r /Y | evilways
P502ui-B1 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | BahnYuki
P702ui-B3 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | BahnYuki
D40u-D1 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Bahn Yuki youtube review
D50u-D1 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | shmups forum user orange808
M70-C3 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y* | AetherSmyth *Only on non-gaming HDMI inputs (more processing). User finds Lx3 to give the best result, using the gaming (low lag) HDMI input.
D65u-D2 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/Y | BahnYuki (shmups) youtube
M65-C1 | Lx3: Y/N*| SNES: Y/N* | *Sound issues, infrequent image drops. olsenn
Dynex DX-L26-10A Not compatible in any mode! Dark Sakul
Fluid 8023384(The Source) 40″| Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y/N | Bironzilla Bad processing and overall image, Dreamcast did not work. Not recommended by user!
Hitachi 32LD30U A | Lx3: Y | SNES: n/r | Lx4/5: n/r | niceyellowyellow
JVC LT-37A80ZU (720p) | Lx3: N | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: N/N | SabrinaB
Pioneer Kuro PDP-5020FD | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: N/N | neogaf user Beer Monkey
Sharp Aquos 80″ (?) | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | brandonx76 Had problems with 480i.
Westinghouse DWM42F2G1 | Lx3: Y | SNES: Y | Lx4/5: Y*/N | VoltaicArts *Aspect ratio forced to widescreen in Lx4.
See also the official compatibily chart for even more, including monitors.
Provisional verdict: Samsung, LG, Vizio and TCL are safe bets overall for Lx3 (and above) compatibility. For Sonys, it seems the new 4k X/XD range work with Lx3 also, but not the older W series otherwise highly praised for gaming (do note some incompatibilities with SNES!). Panasonic generally do not seem to do Lx3.
Possible ”best of” list: Premium range: LG C7 OLED; Budget range: TCL S series
As far as SNES goes, very few incompatibilities have been reported, a better outcome than feared from earlier tests by Bucko and others. This could be due to reporter bias, or simply the more recent firmware tweaks did in fact increase compatibility. However, there are some reports of incompatibilities on newer 4k Sonys… There has been good progress on Marqs de-jitter mod for NES/SNES, which hopefully can solve this (see thread link at beginning of post).
*Note I originally encouraged reporting SNES model revision but Marqs has since explained incompatibility issues with SNES is due to how the console outputs uneven length (longer/shorter) scanlines, irrespective of internal hardware. The sync also has some peculiarities. Still, SNES compatibility should be reported when possible, since it is known to be problematic for some TVs.
**Note line triple and SNES compatibility can also be alleviated by using scalers like DVDO products (low additional lag), but A/V receivers and even cheap no-name scalers with HDMI input such as this one have been reported to help (though with higher additional lag).June 7, 2016 at 7:17 PM #7507
Excellent idea, thank you.June 8, 2016 at 7:11 PM #7532
Sony Bravia KDL-42W705B
SNES PAL (SNSP-CPU-02)
SNES PAL RGB cable from Retrogamingcables (maybe sync on Luma but I’m not sure. It was bought some years ago and it was not specified).
It works OK with default configuration.
Image is a bit dark and it shows some noise (diagonal bars).
Image is lighter with Framemeister but it still shows noise.
SNES Mini. Modded with SUperCIC and RGB
RGB cable that came with the console (I don’t know how it is wired).
It works with default configuration (50 or 60 Hz) but sync is temporarily lost in some points of the tested game (DKC). When losing sync, OSSC LED goes red for a moment, the image is lost and after a moment, LED goes green and image is back.
To avoid losing sync, I have to set Analog sync LPF to 2.5 MHz.
Image is bright and it shows some noise (less than in PAL console). In 60 Hz mode noise is a bit less noticeable.
Noise is gone with Framemeister (SCART to mini-DIN with sync cleaner is used).
Linetriple mode does not work in any of the SNES models. TV shows a “non compatible mode” warning.
Noise is not related to OSSC since it is also shown if I connect the consoles to the RGB input of the TV.June 11, 2016 at 5:53 PM #7581
Console used: 3-Chip Super Famicom (APU-01) with sync-on-composite cable
Sony Bravia KDL40EX655
480p – works
720p – black screen (“Unsupported Signal. Check your device output.”)
480p – works
720p – works
480p – works
720p – works (picture is slightly shifted to the right with a vertical line on the left)June 13, 2016 at 12:08 PM #7601
Seems I can’t edit first post…
Can now edit, moved to first post.June 21, 2016 at 4:57 PM #7665
Console used: SNES Model SNS-001 via RGB Scart from ebay store retro_console_accessories
Vizio 50″ P502ui-B1 |Lx2:Y|Lx3:Y|SNES:Y
Vizio 70″ P702ui-B3 |Lx2:Y|Lx3:Y|SNES:Y
I’m getting a 2016 75″ P series TV next Wednesday where I’ll do testing on that. I choose the Vizio TVs due to excellent input delay and phenomenal picture. Here’s a video link of me playing Sega Saturn on the 50″ TV.July 12, 2016 at 9:45 PM #7893
The model I use for retrogames is UE32H6200 and it’s compatible with both ossc’s modes 240p x3 and 480p x2July 15, 2016 at 2:48 PM #7929
CONSOLE: Natively PAL Sega Saturn, switchlessly region and Hz modded; running games from SD card via Rhea board.
TV: Panasonic Viera, LCD TX-L37S20BA, non LED backlight, 1080 native resolution.
MODE: Line Double to 480p – works nicely. Game mode on this TV only allows 16:9 aspect ratio. There is ++ dot crawl with sharpness >0.
MODE: Line Triple to 720p – black screen.July 15, 2016 at 8:24 PM #7938
That’s unfortunate, many Panasonic sets do support line triple and that fixes the aspect ratio thing. Thanks everyone for reporting your findings thus far!July 21, 2016 at 9:26 AM #8050
BenQ BL2405HT – Works with LineTripplePAL mode (Source Amiga A1200 and MegaDriveII )
Havent tested 480LineDouble yet as I need to hook up the PS2 for thatJuly 21, 2016 at 5:00 PM #8052
Nice, Turrican 2 if I’m not mistaken? 🙂July 21, 2016 at 8:44 PM #8058
One of my fav games of all time, never get tired of the music soundtrack either
Cant wait for the orchestral album they’re doing on kickstarter 🙂July 22, 2016 at 1:54 PM #8069
x2 480p works almost perfectly for the consoles I’ve tested so far, all perfect but Famicom
x3 720p does not work with any source
x2 480p does not work for Dreamcast, 480p pass-through is perfect (only tested dreamcast for 480p)
Twin Famicom (Odd Horizontal sync issue or something, look at my NESRGB Twin Famicom thread – not sure if something is up with console)
SNES (early model with native RGB)
PC Engine DUO-RJuly 23, 2016 at 5:03 AM #8095
x3 does not work
x2 480p does not work
Same consoles tested as above. SNES with native RGB works. Poor scaling to 720p, scanlines look terrible.
Not a TV, but my Emachines E211H LCD supports all modes, SNES x3 looks great!
The horizontal sync issue with my NESRGB has been present on all displays.July 24, 2016 at 3:56 PM #8118
x3 doesn’t work
x3 doesn’t work
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